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Post by sadphace on Dec 4, 2010 18:10:59 GMT -5
hay everyone im just going to jump in start why when i go to see all the esp guitars in there website i see one or two Gibson looking guitars and thats just one example there are so many compnys that copy's other so i alwes get confused here when i see some one holding a guitar i think its a fender then it turns out its ibenze or somthing completle diffrent i know the name of the compney is on the head of the guitar and i saw the namm show 2010 and alot of compnys have the exsact same body shap guitars and the only crazy looking guitar was the big angle esp guitar so why? is there a good risin why alot of guitars dont look like monsters? i mean im very shacked that alot of peaple play reglur looking guitars so why do they? ist to expnesive or its just not worth it or they dont sell any insain looking guitars
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Post by evilurnn666 on Dec 4, 2010 22:14:57 GMT -5
Most guitar designers / builders are worried about the majority. People are so used to and feel comfortable with the same body shapes and styles that have been around since the get go. Most people are scared of change and if they don't see the top musicians using it, then they won't consider it or they'll just look past it. That's the good thing about Ikons , they Don't just make the same shit. Each guitar design is a piece of art work in itself. Thus making Ikon superior in my eyes because they don't care about the mainstream!!!
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Post by Blasphemessiah on Dec 5, 2010 8:32:18 GMT -5
The thing is that most of these companies have been making the same body shapes for around 50 years, and they still sell! They figure "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and I'm sure their stockholders would agree. Hell, some of these companies do so well selling the same old body type that they even pay Asian companies to build cheap knockoffs of their own designs. Then they throw their name on it, put it in a box with a gig bag and a crap amp... and sell THOUSANDS of them at Wal-mart. They don't need to come up with new designs, they do enough business selling 30 different variations of the same guitar. If they were to come out with something different it would immediately be shot down as a novelty by brand loyalists (the entire guitar industry). Why should they even take the risk. There are two types of stratocasters in the world: Fenders and "It's not a Fender but.." The logo might say the brand name, but the shape screams it from the stage to the back row.
and along comes Ikon Customs on a mission to make the Gods bleed!
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Post by sadphace on Dec 5, 2010 10:40:21 GMT -5
hmmmm so its the mony just becuase it selles like crazy they dont even bather to make even one look diffrent so how many are there like ikon guitars that actual make each guitar so enuiqe and spashall ?
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Post by Blasphemessiah on Dec 5, 2010 12:34:53 GMT -5
Volkswagen sold the beetle for 65 years, it went through thousands of changes but always looked the same. Even when they brought out a new one it still looked like the old one. The same car was made in 15 different countries, with varying degrees of quality, all under the VW name. They never had problems selling them. If they wanted to make anything extraordinary, they'd put the Bugatti name on it to separate themselves.
Anyone remember Chevrolet's "Geo Metro"?
Yes, it's always about the money with the guys in suits. To my knowledge, nobody else can pull of what Ikon is doing.
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Post by evilurnn666 on Dec 5, 2010 23:44:06 GMT -5
The only other company I've seen that makes really original guitars besides Ikon , is Monson guitars out of CA. Rogga Johanson of Revolting and Paganizer is indorced by them. They have some pretty impressive designs but are also fucking exspensive!!!
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Post by elektrokutioner on Dec 6, 2010 15:24:04 GMT -5
Some of the Monson guitars are kinda cool, but some of them are a little silly looking..
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Post by evilurnn666 on Dec 6, 2010 15:32:45 GMT -5
I agree!!
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Post by cpkaestner on Dec 12, 2010 0:48:39 GMT -5
One thing everyone left out is the "big" CO.s are all owned by the same co ! Look at Fender and Jackson guitars ! The "new" guitar for that dude in Def Leper is a ffender with a floyd rose and a Jackson sticker on the headstock ! It is a supped up Strat for like 3 grand ! And it was advertised as "using licensed Fender parts" Fuck they are both owned by the same parent co. ! But most average guitar players do not know this. Same with the Mexican Strats , they are American parts shipped to Mexico and assembled for less money. Now I have heard that the parts are not as good as "American" but I got news for ya, I have been playing for over 20 years and I do not hear a God Damned difference ! So fuck em' I bouth an Ikon and as long as Marc is building guitars and my bro Eric from Vampire guitars I will never buy another guitar from those co.s !
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Post by Blasphemessiah on Dec 13, 2010 2:13:14 GMT -5
That's the corporate world we live in. A handful of companies own everything, the rest is just smoke and mirrors. Fender's WIKI page lists all their corporate holdings. (i didnt know CBS owned fender for over 20 years)
I also discovered (from Wiki) that my Steel Reserve beer, my Oreo Cookies, the green slime from "You can't do that on television", your Maxwell House coffee, my Oscar Mayer liverwurst,my Philadelphia cream cheese, Cheez Whiz, my Claussen pickles, and my Hamburger Helper are all owned by the people that make my Marlboro Cigarettes! now that's brand loyalty ;D
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Post by morean on Dec 13, 2010 8:03:42 GMT -5
Mankind is enslaved by fear of the unknown...
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Post by evilurnn666 on Dec 13, 2010 17:08:43 GMT -5
Yep!!!!
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Post by cpkaestner on Dec 13, 2010 21:06:46 GMT -5
Now if only I owned it ! Ha,ha.ha,
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Post by Blasphemessiah on Jan 20, 2011 11:46:39 GMT -5
While we're on the subject, I just found this interesting pic. Attachments:
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Post by Marc Bertone on Jan 26, 2011 19:54:52 GMT -5
hay everyone im just going to jump in start why when i go to see all the esp guitars in there website i see one or two Gibson looking guitars and thats just one example there are so many compnys that copy's other so i alwes get confused here when i see some one holding a guitar i think its a fender then it turns out its ibenze or somthing completle diffrent i know the name of the compney is on the head of the guitar and i saw the namm show 2010 and alot of compnys have the exsact same body shap guitars and the only crazy looking guitar was the big angle esp guitar so why? is there a good risin why alot of guitars dont look like monsters? i mean im very shacked that alot of peaple play reglur looking guitars so why do they? ist to expnesive or its just not worth it or they dont sell any insain looking guitars This is a very good point brother, and exactly the reason why Ikon exists! I'll give you 3 major reasons why: 1. Profit. -generic (boring) looking guitars SELL. End of story. I blame the guitar industry as well as the markets that patronize them. If people buy shit, they will make shit. Supply and demand. 2. Laziness. -Designing brand new systems and thinking outside the box is A LOT OF WORK. More work means less profit. See number 1. Consumers are just as lazy. I had one jackass make the argument that its the music that matters and not the instrument. Yeah. You can make great music on great looking guitars too, you know. 3. Manufacturing issues. - Again it costs more to make instruments that are not cookie-cutter. Less profit=bad for business. I love it when guitar companies spread bullshit around to justify their cost cutting. I can name a million situations but I won't blab on that shit too much. One example is, why do you always see the Rosewood/Maple neck combination? Well for one Maple is cheap and plentiful, it has a tight grain (easy to apply finish on) and stable so its PERFECT for a factory-type mass production deal. They also tell you that the best fretboard is Rosewood, when in reality, any hardwood fretboard would work. Its all a matter of preference by the player. The real reason they use Rosewood is its a forgiving wood to fret. Factory fret jobs are not applied by humans, but rather by huge stamping machines. Any stiff wood(haha) like Ebony would crack when you stamp fretwire on it. That's why its a lot more expensive. Rosewood can handle the roughness of machines. The fret slots also don't have to be perfect. Like I said, Rosewood is a forgiving wood and the fret tangs stick like shit on a wall. Personally I am disgusted by the industry, that's why we do Ikon. We don't care about profit margins. We are not concerned with sales volumes, we are more concerned at creating works of art that MEANS something in this otherwise meaningless existence.
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